Ep. 191 “In Awe of Thou” LIMITED EPISODE

In this episode of the podcast, hosts Patrick and Ross share exciting show announcements, including upcoming performances in New York City, Dallas, and Portland, while also marking Pride month. Ross discusses her recent success in completing an exam for her lactation specialist training, which covers all approaches to feeding infants and highlights the challenges of medical terminology and calculations involved. The pair reflect on the rigorous certification processes for lactation counselors and therapists, emphasizing the need for continued education and the implications of various certifications. Additionally, Patrick shares a personal story about intervening in a tense conflict outside his daughter’s school, prompting a discussion about biases and perceptions. The episode concludes with a reminder for listeners to support the show through Patreon for exclusive content and to attend their upcoming performances.

• Patrick announced upcoming performances: June 26th in NYC for Risk podcast, July 18th weekend in Dallas opening for Ian Finance, and August in Portland, Maine opening for Rose Bud Baker
• Episode 191 introduction during Pride month
• Patrick mentioned attending a therapist conference as a videographer where he ‘held space’ for them
• Ross completed a lactation specialist exam, with Patrick expressing admiration for her accomplishments
• Discussion of the ‘I-thou’ relationship concept from Martin Buber about seeing partners as complete people rather than tools

• Ross took an exam for her integrative lactation and feeding specialist program that considers all forms of feeding (breast, formula, combination)
• Exam was open-note and taken in a co-working setting with a colleague
• Discussion of mathematical conversions required for baby feeding calculations (ounces to pounds)
• Ross and colleague struggled with the math portions, using an app called ‘Breastfeed 2’ to help with conversions
• Medical terminology challenges for those without medical backgrounds
• Discussion of contraindications for breastfeeding including HIV considerations in different contexts

• Patrick reflected on certification requirements he observed at the therapist conference
• Ross discussed the extensive certification process for IBCLCs (International Board Certified Lactation Counselors)
• Discussion about how some certifications require extensive education but don’t grant prescribing privileges
• Ross’s interview interruption at approximately 00:24:01
• Patrick mentioned being added to the Manhattan Birth Doula Directory

• Next day follow-up with Patrick alone while Ross is at yoga
• Patrick described a conflict he witnessed outside his daughter’s school
• Detailed account of a verbal altercation between a Black woman and a Latin American man
• Patrick intervened to prevent physical conflict while his family proceeded to the school
• The woman accused the man of using a racial slur; the man was upset about his phone being hit
• Patrick reflected on his own biases in how he perceived and handled the situation

• Patreon promotion at end of episode, encouraging listeners to subscribe for

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• Listeners are encouraged to attend Patrick’s show in New York City on June 26th for the Risk podcast (00:00)
• Listeners are encouraged to attend Patrick’s show in Dallas, Texas on July 18th weekend at Addison Improv (00:00)
• Listeners are encouraged to attend Patrick’s show in Portland, Maine in August at Empire Comedy Club (00:00)

• Listeners are encouraged to sign up for Patreon membership at

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